You just have to build your team yourself. With spear, the main issue I run into is that the pattern makes me back up during light1 to be safe, and I tend to not fully recover that space since knocked down enemies still block movement forwards, so I have to push attack a lot after a while, which ties into the stamina management part, overall would you say it's common to have that issue with spear or does it probably come from me fucking it up somewhere ? Like I'm having an issue in the forge where it's not showing some items i have, even though i know i have them. This actually kind of sucks because I got the Warpick, had plenty of salvage to upgrade it, but couldn't. I posted something recently about them making an easier match than 80% of qp games. If it's only horde, not shield no elites, you should be able to kill them at a very decent speed with any weapon on any difficulty, no matter the career you are using. It's hard to hear but it's kinda up to you. A Rat Slaying Subreddit for Warhammer: The End Times - Vermintide, and Warhammer: Vermintide 2. Im at work now, ill show you some screenshots of the trinket that i can't salvage when i get home. Depends on the weapon you are using, your dodge dance rhythm will be different. You need to do the best combo & keep a good headshot rate, and use your defensive tool to cover your slow moveset or so enemies you didn't stagger won't hurt you. And most important, if you die it's totally your fault. I will often land in a lobby with 3 other guys playing range and more often than not we end up with nobody being able to properly clean up elites and specials because we end up spread with people trying to get some wiggle room and using their range to clear them, I've tried to shift to being melee for the duration of the run, as I usually run sweeping weapons like billhook or spear, but I don't have the clearing power of a true frontline class and we end up backing up a lot, I've tried to stick to whoever's really stuck with range and a meh clearing weapon to give him breathing room, but it usually ends up with the othrr two being a bit overwhelmed and I feel like I'm letting them down, I've tried playing with only bots and the improved mod, but whenever the special spawns get crazy or we get a patrol it becomes a nightmare, Sometimes when people are stellar at target priority and aim it just works if we can get a good spot, but we often end up with a doomed run the moment we get into a corridor with a horde and noone can aim properly, I have tried finding guides or video guides that adress the topic but couldnt find one that adresses this specifically. Healing Potions should no longer be wasted if you're hit right at the moment the potion is consumed. Also, if you lose a run but were the last one to be killed, consider it a half-win. Would you say my best bet would be to go and straight up frontline then ? Bots should now replenish ammo from Ammo Boxes with much more consistency. The first one is Salvage Items. If you play on pc, you can use the mod that makes bots better. They aren't like the 5-power weapon unlocks either, they're like green quality guns and trinkets. In the end you can only do so much for the team, ideally everyone should be able to handle themselves no matter the career. There's some great advice in the thread though. The tab allows for the salvaging of 9 items at once. I'd leave bots only for moments in which it's impossible to find people because of the time, or day. Like on kruber spear, your horde combo will be light attack-heavy attack, it comes out very fast, so all you need to do is dodge backward when you light attack, and walk forward when you are heavy attack, only dodge when you didn't stagger something. Stamina management is something got rarely mentioned but very important on high difficulty. Push is your bread&butter for crowd control for all weapons. You best bet would be to build your bots around you. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Possibly that's an overstatement in my case as I played a bit more and still had trouble in certain situations (mostly boss+horde in confined space) where bots can very quickly die if they are in a bad position. Yeah you can't salvage or upgrade any weapon or trinket that is either: Equipped on another Character Equipped on another Career of a Character Is Grey Quality (name) - These are usually the base version of each weapon type and have something like power level 5. Yeah you can't salvage or upgrade any weapon or trinket that is either: Base items (power level 5 and grey) cannot ever be salvaged. Your defensive tool will be dodge/block/push. If you think you can't survive after your mates die, you could get frustrated or negative when they do.Now I try to think more as "this time it's my turn to rescue the mission, as many other times I have been rescued. On some weapons, push attacks are very strong and contribute quite a lot to your horde clear combo (e.g billhook, heavy spear). Everything else depends on your own skill and luck with spawn points. It'd be nice to be able to swap equipment around without having to switch characters. On huntsman spear is the best choice and functions pretty much as a shield with killing power, the only downside is kind of mediocre elite damage, though you could consider shield if you really wanted to. For context, I'm currently going for the Pantheon of Legend achievement, which means I have to play all careers on all missions, and I have a huge problem with random matches, What should I do when I land in a game where everyone is playing full range ? I sometimes use axe & shield(+ grudge for horde clear), with heavy 1 or push into heavy 1 if needed you can control the horde long enough for your team to be able to snipe specials/elites. On lower difficulty (tbh including legend), you have a very high kill speed that it doesn't really matter. Combo wise there are lots of resources out there. © Valve Corporation. I've been having the same problem, I've gone over each of the heroes and classes to make sure they are not equipped. for me 1H weapons/dual wielding weapons are much easier to maneuver with and not take damage with in this game, easier for someone to learn with. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Added quick salvage button to gamepad UI. Español - Latinoamérica (Spanish - Latin America). Press J to jump to the feed. Bots now heal when they have Natural Bond if they are safe and wounded. But on 2h hammer, your combo is chain heavy, and depends on your career/build/Swift Slaying trigger or not, you may not be able to dodge back when charge your attack → walk forward when releasing your attack, instead you can push once or twice first, and then dodge back → walk forward→release attack. I would give bots a better go. Doesn't matter if you make a bad choice or not. Salvage Items [edit | edit source] "Salvages any usable materials from items." Head over to the crafting menu and take a look at the various different items. What am i missing about the salvaging mechanic? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is grey but it isn't the default trinket. On ranger vet you can use shield if you want to be able to frontline in certain situations. Randoms can be unpredictable and fights can turn chaotic without communication while the bots will stick to your Side. That way you can choose your own frontline and team combination. 1 random that don't know how to carry himself can throw the match. I'd suggest not focusing on what the teammates are doing, but rather on what event made you need one to survive. Thanks for the extensive writeup by the way. Only equipment that is not equipped by any Hero or Career can be salvaged. However they will generally be pretty solid, and if you don't let them get in rough situations a run can be very easy. Should I just bite the bullet, accept to have a disproportionate fail rate on these careers in quickplay and just play more until it's done, or is there a way to make it work ? Genuine question, as it often happens to me when playing ranger Bardin, bounty hunter, huntsman Kruber. And depends on your weapon choice, some tools will be limited. Normal weapon push can stagger all units inside legend horde, and most of the units inside Cata horde. Watching strong players in youtube showed me how they play when shit hits the fan and they get separated.You need to be able to survive in legend alone a very long time, to be able to play cata, or cata twitch without relying on being carried by mates. Thanks for the guides and the recent cata videos, they're what prompted me to try out bots. Things like dual dagger will have faster dodge dance rhythm since it has fast attack/high dodge count/low stagger low cleave, and things like 2h hammer/heavy spear will have slower dodge dance rhythm. Strong frontline with aoe taunt and group healing. It will not let me salvage it. Hey it's the guide dude ! Bounty hunter I would use billhook for ranged teams too, if you manage to get full elite stacks you can kind of take the role of a frontliner. Nobody can fuck up your run except your own management how to handle hordes, bosses and where to fight them. The way to restore your dodge is by stop dodging for around 1sec, which you can cover this gap with a lot of moves, e.g a high stagger/cleave attack, block, push. For example, when i am playing a range class or another squishy character i will go with kruber merc and ironbreaker. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. If you feel like your dps is bit low & enemies are starting to surround you, push couple times & rotate so that all the enemies are still at your front. I honestly think if you work on individual mechanics enough, you can salvage any legend run with any career. With the correct combo you will kill horde at better efficiency. You can improve your melee skill by using correct/better combo, practice dodge dance, manage your stamina better. Randoms can always lead to a bad team combination. Dodge dance wise, never spam your dodge. After you know these concepts, in practice you need to combine them all. Interesting, how do you tailor your bots to be efficient in dealing with long range specials ? The answer probably is just ...... get better at melee weapons. Don't rely on absorbing hit with thp or your damage reduction passive/talent. You didn't save the team, but you also weren't the weight to be carried. Here you can put in items and salvage their parts to be used for crafting other items. Cause i want to get rid of these items, otherwise they're just taking up space in my inventory. 1 random that don't know how to carry himself can throw the match. If you dodge too much, your dodge distance will be reduced dramatically. Salvaging allows a player to destroy equipment in exchange for materials. Randoms can always lead to a bad team combination. Keep both your dodge/stamina at a healthy level, so when you run out one of them you can use another one to recover it. ", seeing teammates dying as a good chance to show how much you've improved. Especially on Legend, horde only has fanatic/slave rat, which can literally be staggered by all attacks and they have low mass. I am nearly finished (4 careers missing) and i mainly play with bots when i want to finish maps for the achievement. They are essentially blueprints for crafting in the forge. I think the system just needs some work done on it. Generally speaking, blocking is less effective than dodge since it doesn't provide damage window, but it is still a basic defence tool. Also aim your weapon at enemy's head level to increase your headshot rate for better damage.